Entrepreneurship, podcasts, mental health, and NFTs: Rich Cardona interview
Last updated on: January 23, 2023
Do you tend to leave some hours during the day solely for yourself and nurturing your mental health? If not, you should definitely start.
And, believe it or not, the “me” time will help you be efficient in other fields of life. In fact, we can name a person who supports such a habit — Rich Cardona.
Seeing this post intrigued us, and we wanted to meet Rich — an entrepreneur, the owner of Rich Cardona Media, a host of the NFTs for Newbies podcast, and a former member of the US Marine Corps.
In this blog post, we’ll cover the main takeaways of our talk with Rich:
- Working in the US Marine Corps for 17 years,
- Starting his own business,
- Working as a podcaster, video content creator, and social media coach,
- Using Clockify and recognizing the time tracking benefits for entrepreneurs, and
- Understanding the importance of self-care and mindfulness.
So, sit comfy and read on, because you’ve got so many interesting things to learn from Rich Cardona.
Table of Contents
Working in the US Marine Corps
Rich worked in the US Marine Corps for 17 years.
So, we were eager to find out what that experience was like, why he chose the Marine Corps, and why he eventually decided to quit.
Why did Rich decide to join the Marines?
Rich was 17 years old when he joined the Marines. As he claims, he went in because he was troubled in high school. He also realized college was not going to be an option and didn’t want to work locally.
Rich further explains his decision to join the Marines:
“I knew I needed some character, some discipline. I went into the marines, and I was gonna do 4 years. Three years into it, 9/11 happened, and then I re-enlisted after that. Enlisted means that I was an enlisted rank — sergeant.”
Rich also adds that he had a desire to be an officer. So he applied for a couple of programs, went to college, and got commissioned as a lieutenant.
Then, he went to flight school, which came out of the blue.
Working as a pilot
Rich reveals that he never knew he’d be flying an aircraft.
Nevertheless, he learned how to fly 3 different aircraft, and ended up flying tag helicopters:
“It was fantastic. Everything that I had imagined it would be was succeeded.”
He says that flying is the ultimate multitasking activity for which you need to embrace a particular skill set. Here’s why:
“You’re flying in an aircraft, you’re looking for other aircraft, you’re listening, communicating, touching buttons, talking with the people in the back… It is insanity.”
Although flying an aircraft was unexpected for Rich, he is a firm believer that we can surprise ourselves a lot. He concludes that it’s great when we’re able to exceed our own expectations of ourselves.
Why Rich had to retire from the Marines
We were wondering what ultimately made Rich retire from the Marines, at the age of 34.
As it turns out, he was medically disqualified.
“Not long after I got back from Afghanistan, I was running a half-marathon, and I had a seizure. And they say: ‘You never know, you may never have one again, or you might have another, but we can’t take a chance of having you in an aircraft when having a seizure.’ ’’
Luckily for him, the Marine Corps had an option to offer early retirement for anyone who had between 15 and 20 years of service.
“So, I applied for that program, I had 16 years in, and I retired at 17 (years of service). I was very happy with that decision because I was afraid I wasn’t going to be marketable on the outside.”
Rich adds that, at that time, he was still young enough to go get an MBA.
However, he highlights that those were the best 17 years of his life.
How did the skills Rich learned as a marine affect the rest of his life and career?
During our interview, Rich pointed out that he’s learned a lot of skills while being a marine. We were curious to know how these skills affected the rest of his life and career.
Learning about the importance of appearance
Rich believes that one of the benefits of having served in the Marine Corps is that people have expectations of you. They think marines have high standards and like structure.
In a way, that proved to be true in Rich’s case.
After the Marine Corps, he worked as an Operations Manager at Amazon. And, he thinks he was different from other managers, in terms of appearance.
For example, while other people wore shorts and sneakers in the warehouse, Rich wore boots and pants every day.
“I was trying to set a different standard. Just be very consistent with the way I show up — and appearance was one of those things.”
Learning about the importance of being there for your team
Apart from appearance, the relationship between managers and workers is also important. This is another trait Rich learned during his years as a marine.
He says that in Amazon, managers have radios for communicating with others.
Rich adds that he would usually turn his radio off so that he could talk with associates. Another reason for turning the radio off was because there was so much going on — communicating via the radio was overstimulating and distracting.
However, other managers and superiors were upset because he was ignoring the radio. On the other hand, superiors noticed that every time they came to Rich, he was communicating with his team.
Here’s how Rich reacted to complaints:
“Why do you think workers are performing so well?
Why do you think I’m crushing everyone’s numbers?
Why do you think the culture on my team is so strong?
It’s because I’m involved, I don’t let you distract me. The most important thing we need to do is invest in people. That’s a huge takeaway, that’s something I learned from the military, it’s never about you, it’s about your marines.”
Naturally, Rich applied some of these principles during his work at Amazon, but overall, he feels that this job wasn’t for him. Ultimately, he quit.
Learning about the importance of constantly educating your team
The approach of making it about people came from Rich’s marine days.
Rich highlights that in the Marine Corps, they have to take care of each other. Besides, he discovered the importance of constantly learning from superiors and educating subordinates.
Thus, Rich realized that being a manager doesn’t mean just caring about numbers and employee attendance. Being a manager means educating the workers about the business:
“We always have to be teaching, as leaders, as marines. You always want the person ‘below’ you to be set up to take your job. That approach has worked beautifully for me in everything I’ve ever done.”
Apart from educating his subordinates, Rich realized it’s vital to show your curiosity — to be able to acquire new skills and train yourself for new positions.
The importance of considering your job role exceptional
Now, we were eager to find out the reason Rich left his manager role at Amazon.
Why did Rich quit his job at Amazon?
Although it seems like Rich was quite a successful manager at Amazon, he feels this job wasn’t suitable for him.
So, what really made him leave?
“Everything was very numbers-driven and hours were extremely long. I wasn’t able to see my newborn daughter, sometimes for 2 days at a time — just because of my work schedule and her sleep schedule.”
Feeling like a number vs. feeling special at what you do
While discussing his job at Amazon, Rich pointed out that when you work for an organization that’s the tip of the spear, and probably the most recognized company in the world, it’s almost impossible not to feel like a number.
“I knew at any time that I could leave and that there were going to be a million people wanting that position, whether they were already working there or not. That didn’t make me feel very special. I came from a very special place. The people I served with in the Marine Corps were some of the most talented humans I’ve ever been around.”
Thus, by being able to compare his job as a marine with his manager position at Amazon, Rich realized that he had no role model in the latter.
“That was very new territory for me, and I was thinking:
‘If I don’t wanna be like them, why am I climbing this ladder?
What is the end game here?’
I didn’t have the clarity of what I actually wanted, which is very normal for people who get out (from the Marine Corps) and transition. So I knew it wasn’t for me, and ultimately, it came to an end.”
How did Rich decide to start his own business?
In Amazon, Rich just felt like a number. So, was that a part that motivated him to start his own business? And how exactly did he begin his entrepreneurial journey?
The road to figuring out his true calling
Rich begins the story of how he started his own business by telling us about his trip to Europe — an incredible two-month-long experience he had when retired from the Marine Corps.
During his European journey, Rich took 10,000 photos.
“It was fantastic. I remember that so vividly. When I left Amazon, I said to myself: ‘Maybe there’s something there, because I love to do [photography]’. This is where people confuse their passion for what their actual calling might be.”
How did Rich discover videography?
After finding out about his passion for photography, Rich started taking photography courses.
He also started applying to be an associate at photography stores, but no one would take him.
So he broadened his interests:
“I started experimenting with videography, and that’s when I thought to myself: ‘OK, maybe there’s a business here.’ ”
Therefore, Rich started reaching out to businesses, such as local gyms or diners, and discussing video content for their social media channels.
“I started getting into videography, and I realized it was storytelling. I love to tell my stories or to talk about my experiences, so that is what really kicked it off. Eventually, things got crazy in a good way.”
Rich concludes that’s how it started — he didn’t have a plan of any kind.
Exploring the world of videography and turning it into business
As a newbie to videography, Rich was using an iMovie and a camera he had.
“I was trying to learn how to edit because I believe that anyone can press Record. But how can you put something together? How can you put it together with music and make something stimulating, attractive — [how can you put together something] that separates one business from another?”
So, Rich decided to go to conferences to enhance his videography skills — that’s where everything changed.
Rich asked a question during Garry Vaynerchuk’s conference, and told him he was a marine. Later, a certain CEO of a company and a retired navy officer approached Rich.
A couple of months later, this person reached out to Rich and said he needed some video content.
“That’s when I pivoted away from making montage videos and focusing on people. I love talking to people, helping them enhance their brand, and show up authentically. This became my core business:
- Creating video content for business owners and CEOs,
- Researching what questions are being asked about their industry,
- Seeing the engagement they get, and
- Helping them grow a profile, a brand.
I believe you stand in front of a brand, not the other way around.”
Today, Rich is the owner of Rich Cardona Media, and they offer three types of services:
- Podcast production
- Video content creation
- Social media coaching
How to handle the feeling of doubt in the workplace
Rich has changed his career path several times, so we wanted to know if he ever felt insecure or doubtful. If so, how does he deal with doubt?
“The doubt doesn’t go away — no matter how confident we are, we become doubtful. I believe the reason people with good intentions become doubtful is that we want to serve. You want to serve at a very high capacity, you want to ensure that you’re giving something valuable.”
Here’s Rich’s advice for managing doubt better.
Tip 1: Practice makes perfect
Rich believes that one of the most effective ways to deal with doubt is repetition.
“I think that we become less scared of things the more familiar we are with them. I have clients who I’ve made tons and tons of videos for, and in the beginning, no matter how prepared we were, as soon as I pressed Record, they were frozen. But now, they’re incredibly comfortable. So, repetition solves a lot of problems.”
Tip 2: Focus on service
Rich’s second advice for dealing with doubt is — when you get nervous, focus on service. It even rhymes.
Also, think about the byproduct of these emotions.
“Think of how you can serve at the highest capacity. Think about what clients want, not just what they signed contracts for — but all the other little things.
‘What are the other ways I can serve aside from what they hired me to do?’
That level of service, that level of goodwill, always leaves a very positive experience in the hands of a client.”
Rich concludes that when it’s time to perform, it’s not time to be nervous.
Tip 3: Remember that the first time is the worst time
When feeling doubtful about how you’re going to perform in a new situation, just remember that the first time is the worst time — as Rich would say.
“The ability to improve is just substantial. The more you keep doing something, [the better you are]. I’m a believer in that, it calms me down.”
Rich Cardona as an entrepreneur — podcast production
As we previously mentioned, Rich Cardona Media provides podcast production for their clients.
Rich is a seasoned podcaster — he used to do a podcast called The Leadership Locker, and now he’s doing NFTs for newbies.
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About the NFTs for Newbies podcast
Rich says that he loved creating The Leadership Locker podcast, but NFTs for Newbies started scaling so fast that they decided to pay more attention to it — and also, because NFTs are a hot topic.
Although the latter podcast is around 8 months old, they’re (already) going to hit a million downloads this month.
So, how did Rich start doing the podcast about NFTs?
It’s an interesting story — he and his co-host Heather met at a conference, when they decided they wanted to collaborate.
A week later, they had a podcast about NFTs, even though they barely knew anything about this matter. But, in Rich’s opinion, not being an expert wasn’t a problem.
“My co-host Heather and I, we’re seasoned podcasters. The funny thing about this was that we had no expertise at all about anything NFTs or Web 3-related, so we call it NFTs for Newbies. The audience is going to learn with us, we are literally documenting the journey.
Anyone who believes that you have to be an expert in anything to convey information, I’m telling you — we’ve just proved you wrong. We were learning on the fly.”
This approach worked incredibly well for them, and now Rich and Heather have a community of newbies. They uplift each other and get a bit deeper with their information with every episode.
Also, they had a feeling that this curiosity about NFTs wasn’t going to dissipate. And they were right:
“Anytime there’s something that gains a lot of popularity, but has incredibly high financial implications, I believe you gotta pay attention to it. We had no choice but to explore — and luckily for us, we knew how to podcast, and a lot of people started listening to it.”
What are NFTs and why are they important?
According to one article in Entrepreneur, one in four people in the US don’t know what NFTs are and how they work.
So, we wanted to pick Rich’s brain on this subject and let him explain what an NFT is.
“NFT stands for non-fungible token. A token of art, it could be digital art, it could be a digital collectible, digital anything.”
Now, why do NFTs have value whatsoever?
“They have value because NFT — the non-fungible part — means it can’t be replicated.
This is where blockchain technology comes in.
There’s actually a ledger — a record on this thing called a blockchain.
Blockchain is a string of computers across the world that validates that you are an owner of that non-fungible token.”
We were wondering what being an owner of a token means.
“It’s kind of like a certificate of authenticity — like knowing that you have the actual Mona Lisa, or the actual Picasso, or a baseball card. Ownership is part of, what I would call, a Web 3 movement.”
Here’s how Rich further describes Web 3, and the importance of ownership:
“I bought this digital piece, I know it’s mine, I know I can verify it, it’s verified on this blockchain, and it gives me access to certain things.
That gives me ownership of it. No one could screenshot it, no one could say it’s theirs, and it creates a form of digital scarcity for projects that do very well.”
Rich concludes that the entire concept is about having digital assets that can really accumulate value over time. For him, Web 3 is a movement of people who believe in technology and want to embrace it.
Why podcasts are Rich’s favorite medium
Rich emphasizes that a podcast is his favorite medium.
“There are 2 million podcasts out there, but only 300.000 of them are active, meaning they’ve released an episode in the last 30 days.”
He explains how you can use podcasts as a multifunctional content:
“The podcast gives you written content — if you get a transcription, you turn it into a blog. If you’re videotaping it, you have video content, as well.”
According to Rich, people need to show their authentic selves in podcasts — a podcast is where you can just completely be yourself, just showing up exactly as you are. The audience will truly appreciate that.
“As someone said to us: ‘It’s like you’re my passenger seat on my way to work every day.’ ”
Another thing Rich likes about podcasts is the simplicity of the processes — at least that’s his experience with the NFT podcast:
“With NFTs for Newbies, there are a lot fewer technical things involved. They record an episode, it’s uploaded in their studio, it gets edited — and that’s it.”
How Rich evaluates the success of his podcasts
Now, how exactly should you evaluate the success of your podcasts? Are numbers the only thing that matters or are there other valuable metrics?
Rich believes that one crucial aspect is community.
Is the community increasing?
“So, the numbers are one thing, but are you able to build a community?
Are you able to uplift people?
Are you able to attain them?
Are you able to keep it concise and just give listeners exactly what they want?”
Another thing podcasters should focus on — Do people have follow-up questions?
Also, paying attention to negative feedback is important:
“We had a review that said: ‘Blind leading a blind.’
But, we also bring in experts who can codify the things that we have not been able to figure out.“
Rich also says that in podcasts, there’s no room for inside jokes with co-hosts or podcast guests.
“Listeners want to feel like they’re actually partaking. The only way to do that is to focus on a listener and deliver digestible information.”
Rich Cardona as an entrepreneur — video content creation
On his website, Rich highlighted that five hours of shooting create three months of content in one go. We were eager to learn what this process looks like.
“We call it “show up and shoot”, and it’s up to five hours, but it usually never goes past three.”
The entire process of creating video content
Here’s how Rich and his team organize the process of creating videos for potential clients:
1. Schedule an onboarding call — this is how Rich gets to know everything about the client.
2. Determine three content pillars for the client — this is what the client should be talking about. For instance, if the client is a time management app, these pillars can be time management, leadership, and journaling.
3. Look around the marketplace and do some research — Rich and his team look into Google, Reddit, and Quora, to determine what questions are being asked at the relevant market that the client is in a position to answer, as an expert.
4. Prepare about 36–45 questions for the client — Rich and his team go through those questions with the client.
5. Shoot — Rich says that they shoot at several locations.
Here’s what happens next:
“Two weeks later, the clients have all that content, captions, edited, the copy written for them. If they want, for an additional fee, we can distribute the content for them — or they can distribute it themselves. The only thing that we don’t do is engage on their behalf. We cannot speak on their behalf.”
Rich Cardona as an entrepreneur — social media coaching
Another service that Rich Cardona Media provides is social media coaching. So, we tackled this subject with Rich, too, starting with the main issues business owners have when it comes to social media.
The most common challenges of social media presence for business owners
Rich points out that he’s been dedicated to documenting the journey of his business, which is something a lot of people just don’t do.
In his opinion, people avoid documenting the journey because they’re afraid that no one is going to:
- Care, or
- Take anything valuable from it.
However, Rich believes quite the opposite.
“Number one: [documenting your journey] is good for you because you’re going to:
- Get more comfortable and confident,
- Deliver better, and
- Consistently improve.
Number two: in the future, you’re gonna look back and look how far you’ve gone. You can look at something you made 6 months ago and probably notice the difference in how you presented then and now.”
How to embrace an organic approach to social media content
Rich Cardona Media provides its clients with social media coaching, which is why we wanted to know more about Rich’s approach to social media.
“We have a kind of very slow, methodical, organic kind of approach to everything, without trying to just do what social media requires us to do.”
Remember — “you don’t have to be viral to be valuable”, as per Rich.
He continues that a lot of people believe that social media means having a successful social media account, or presence means having a million followers. In actuality, you just need to have at least one follower.
This advice is quite straightforward: imagine one person that you’ve ever helped in your life and talk like you talked to them — Rich adds that you should never imagine a stadium full of people anyway.
“The majority of people who are gonna come across your content are gonna scroll by anyway, or they might like it without even listening.
But, you are trying to put yourself in a position where you’re just trying to reach one person.”
Rich believes that, if you reach that one person, that person is going to do something special — either share your content or tell someone else about it, and that’s how it really unfolds.
Sometimes, this one person may even lift your spirits on a rainy day — here are some of the best messages Rich gets about his podcast:
“ ‘You have no idea how much that episode helped me today’, or
‘I’ve never thought of it like this’, or
‘My husband loves your show’.
Those things mean more than some of the money that comes in because it’s very tangible.”
These reviews are a reminder that there are a lot of things going right, to lift his spirit.
Rich’s approach to social media coaching
We were curious to find out more about the social media coaching service that Rich provides, and whether it includes any technical elements.
According to Rich, his team now works with 7–8 figure business owners, solopreneurs, and clients who are focused on business, and crushing it.
Here’s how Rich Cardona Media helps these companies:
“So, our job is to eliminate every single technical aspect (posting, distributing, copywriting), so all the clients can do is focus on recording and delivering messages exactly how they want, the way we coach them to do. Everything else is a distraction.”
Now, what type of clients need social media coaching?
In Rich’s opinion, their clients are efficient, responsive, and they communicate regularly.
“The type of clients I work with are just absolutely professional and coachable. They don’t discount my feedback and I receive their feedback a lot better, too.
The reason that’s important is, if you’re helping someone lateral to the level you’re at, it’s easy to see through the nonsense excuses. Because I’ve been there, so I’d rather them just be honest.”
Here are other traits of Rich’s clients who need social media coaching:
- They take notes,
- They are serious, and
- They not only comprehend what is said to them, but they apply it almost immediately.
“It’s almost like they’re paying me to help them, and at the same time, I’m learning so much from them. It’s a ridiculous win-win.”
Time tracking benefits for entrepreneurs
Should entrepreneurs track their time and work hours?
They should. In fact, Rich told us that he tracks everything he does throughout the day.
Tracking time when acquiring new skills
For Rich, recording time is vital when you’re trying to learn new things or acquire new skills.
“There’s a very big difference between convincing myself that I really put a solid foot forward enhancing my copywriting skills, the feeling vs. looking at the tracked time.
Clockify has absolutely helped me look at what my habits are, good and bad, and to enhance my skills.”
Tracking the “me” time
Apart from logging the hours he spends enhancing skills, Rich also tracks his “me” time.
For example, Rich dedicates 45 minutes per day to being outside, no matter the weather, and he always keeps a time record for this activity.
Here’s why tracking the “me” time is invaluable for Rich:
“The ‘me time’ is substantial. And I know I’m accomplishing far more than many of my counterparts who think entrepreneurship is doing whatever you want. I also know that I’m optimizing my health and mental state. Auditing my time has been largely fruitful.”
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How Rich and his team use Clockify
As you can see, Rich is an advocate for time tracking. Here’s how Rich and his team make the most of Clockify.
Time tracking habits for Rich and his team
At first, Rich was using Clockify for his own time recording purposes. Then, as his team was growing, he wanted to know how they were spending their time.
“It was not to micromanage, I just wanted to understand the same things I did. For example, ‘wait a second, I could have spent a lot more time on that. Why did I spend so much time on this graphic? I spent an hour and a half doing a graphic, scrolling through emails, or visiting my email even though there was nothing new for an hour.’”
Although his team doesn’t necessarily need to measure their working hours, Rich and an entire company track their time for a week, once a quarter.
That way, they’re able to learn more about their working habits, and make plans for the future:
“The Reporting [feature] is what helps the most. When you’re able to see the accumulation of everything, you are able to say: ‘Next month, if I cut this in half, that means I can add five hours here.‘ That is just really motivating because I know next month is going to be just solid.”
What Clockify features does Rich find useful?
Rich already mentioned Reports — but we were curious to find what other Clockify features he enjoys.
This entrepreneur likes that Clockify offers an option to enter hours manually or with a timer. Rich used to record his time manually, but he realized he was lying to himself a bunch of times.
“When you have a timer running, it doesn’t lie. A timer function is a bit more granular, and sometimes I prefer that. So, I can know it to a second, like: did I really need 40 minutes for lunch?
Knowing that the clock is ticking helps me stay on track.”
In addition, Rich also prefers the Reports, especially Weekly Reports.
“I like that feature that you can toggle back and forth, but I would say that Weekly reporting, or the Reporting function as a whole is probably the most important.“
The significance of self-care and mental health for personal and business success
Another topic we discussed with Rich is self-care and mindfulness, and why they are important for his overall well-being and business success.
For Rich, self-care means resisting the urge to check emails first thing in the morning, and instead — working out. After that, Rich usually does the reading and visualization.
The benefits of visualizing your work
Here’s what visualization means and why it’s a vital activity for Rich:
“I visualize how I’m gonna show for clients and what I’m gonna say to not take things personally, when someone doesn’t get back to me. I think of all of those things. I say to myself: ‘I’ve already given my attention to that, I don’t need to give it more attention, so I’m gonna focus on exactly what I need to do now, what I outline for myself.’ ”
How Rich embraced mindfulness
Rich says that he used to believe that mindfulness and self-reflection were ridiculous. Besides, he had no time for activities such as this.
“Coming from the marines, we had the lowest budget compared to any armed services, so we were always doing more with less. And we were proud — that’s a badge of honor. But there wasn’t time for excuses, there wasn’t time for contemplating, there was time for decision-making and action.”
However, Rich highlights that now, he’s given himself that gift of reflection.
Rich’s approach to prioritizing mental health
In his LinkedIn post we previously mentioned, Rich said that it’s really important to prioritize your time for mental health and creativity.
So, we wanted to know how Rich manages to balance his work and private life.
As we mentioned, Rich uses Clockify to track everything throughout the day. Tracking time has helped him see that there are some time gaps during the day. Thus, Rich started looking at how much time there was for his family and nurturing mental health.
“And it was substantial — I’m up at 4 a.m. I go to the gym, come home, read, and meditate, which is crazy because I am a marine, I never thought of doing that. Then I spend time with my daughter, I take her to school, come back, and then I start my workday. My workday starts around 9 a.m. and I’m up by 4 p.m.
I have 5 hours that include physical fitness, mental health, socialization, time with family, and being a dad.”
Rich adds that he pays close attention to his meetings during the day and how much time he spends on meetings. Besides, he also tracks his time on social media. Rich is astonished that random social media scrolling can add up to 30–40 hours in a month.
Wrapping up: Lessons we can learn from Rich Cardona
What can we learn from a man who served as a marine for 17 years, then worked in marketing and operations, and finally decided to start his own business?
Well, we can learn a lot.
First, finding a job suitable for you can be difficult. You will probably go through trial and error before discovering your true calling. Rich also pointed out that sometimes you’ll discover your passion and manage to turn it into a legit business.
Second, remember that it’s okay to feel doubtful. Because, in Rich’s view, people with good intentions become doubtful because they want to serve at a very high capacity. And, the good news is that Rich recommends several ways of dealing with doubt, such as — when you get nervous, focus on service.
Third, if you’re a busy entrepreneur like Rich, make sure you track your time, especially the hours you spend acquiring new skills. That’s the best way to ensure that you actually dedicate time to a meaningful activity.
Finally, prioritize your mental health and set aside enough time to spend with your family — no matter how busy you are.
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